You had basked in the glory of the narcissist’s undying love during the pedestal phase. Then, as if out of the blue, you were thrust from the pedestal, devalued and degraded from the ‘love of my life’ serious partner material to someone in consideration with no rights to expect anything at all.
You stuck around, clinging to the memory of those days past. “Someone who loved me, adored me and worshipped me like he used to could not just have lost interest in me completely,” you thought. “This must be fixable, it will bounce back,” you were telling yourself, thinking that your perfect prince charming was just temporarily confused and all he needed was your compassion, understanding and a bit of time.
But the growing indifference of the person you not so long ago were one hundred per cent certain would be your future has eroded your confidence. You are constantly balancing on the brink of an emotional meltdown but trying to hold yourself together because oh, he doesn’t like when you are crying.
You are still clinging to the hope that it’s all just a temporary glitch but things are just getting worse. Kind of sneakily. It feels nothing like your previous break-ups. Something is seriously odd here but you have no idea what that is.
You are receiving less and less attention, less and less consideration. And then, one day, it’s over. You have been discarded. At this stage, you still don’t understand what has happened and are seeking answers with the one person that could provide them but doesn’t intend to do so – your narcissistic ex.
You have completed the full cycle – pedestal – devaluation – discard. You are now an old broken toy and the narcissist has absolutely no interest in you since he is busy grooming his new source (someone better and shinier, he thinks – until he gets bored again obviously.)
The time around and post discard is tough. If you are like I used to be, you still don’t know that you have been with a narcissist. That’s not a good place to be. I want you to figure that out fast.
I don’t claim my account to be comprehensive. It’s obviously based just on my experience with a higher functioning passive aggressive covert narcissist. But I believe that the more information out there, the better.
After you complete the entire learning cycle, you will see the narcissist as someone totally different from the person you used to think you knew.
The time post discard is the time of learning the truth. You will be forced to comprehend the fact that the dead serious relationship you thought you had was just a fraud and that the awesome person you used to know was just a false self.
So what are the behaviours that you can experience from a narcissist in this challenging period?
He wants you to continue believing in the lie
I at first received what HG Tudor describes as the Golden Wedge discard. The narcissist parted with me claiming that he would always love me, that he would always respect me and thanking me for ‘coming into his life and changing it for the best‘ (These are his exact words, please remember them when you reach the end of this article).
This sort of behaviour has one aim – to make you want to wait for him, to subtly persuade you to keep sitting on the back burner while he is running around chasing new sources of supply (read my article about narcissistic supply and how to stop handing it over).
It’s designed to make you think that he is just confused and needs time to sort himself out. He is not giving you any guarantees, he is not committing to you but he deliberately makes you feel that there is a future for you and him.
He is playing a part of an existentially confused hero. You don’t know that in reality, he is having a good time chasing his new sources and doesn’t struggle with anything really. But he doesn’t want you to know the truth. He wants you to only have the information that he chooses – the information that will make you see him as the good guy, the love of your life that you lost. He only wants you to have the information that will keep you under his spell.
If your instinct is at least a bit healthy, it will start kicking in and you will begin to ask some of the more uncomfortable questions. That would ultimately lead to harsher and harsher behaviours from the narc that would eventually completely negate his proclamations of love and respect for you.
(One of the biggest lessons from a narcissistic relationship is that you should always focus on a person’s actions rather than words. Words mean nothing. Integrity is what counts.)
Uses your deepest trigger against you
Prior to the discard, I remember telling the narc: “Please don’t ignore my messages, being ignored is my worst trigger. If you need some time to think, let’s just agree on a date when we would talk and I will give you the time.”
Guess what happened? Yes, he started ignoring my emails and messages and was never willing to agree on any time frame, in which we would reconnect to discuss what was going on in the relationship. He would always say that he would be in touch but never intended to do so. For the first few months, I would always resolve not to contact him but over and over again I would give in after a few weeks since the need to understand (and unfortunately my addiction to the illusion of the false self) was too intense and there were too many questions.
Now guess what happens when someone pushes your deepest trigger? Yeah, it causes you all sorts of extremely difficult emotions, it makes you act upon those emotions – and that’s exactly what the narc wants. He wants you to give him bullets to shoot you with later. (In this article I have described how a covert narcissist makes you look like the crazy person).
Starts accusing you of things that he is doing to you
During the pedestal phase you were probably constantly praising the narc, or better say his awesome creation – the false self – for being the best, brightest, most loving, perfect boyfriend you could have dreamed about. You praised him for being smart, mature, supportive.
But that’s not the person you are seeing now. You still believe that the kind reasonable man is there somewhere, buried underneath, and you are trying to make this reasonable man see that his current behaviour is hurtful and weird. Sure he is doing it just out of ignorance, you think.
But as you start providing the narcissist with negative feedback about his behaviour and its impact on you, the exact opposite of what you’d hoped for happens.
You don’t know it yet but you are now triggering the narcissistic injury and offending the narcissist’s giant ego. The narc can’t have it and will become extremely defensive. You try to bring this defensiveness to his attention but something really weird happens – he accuses you of being defensive.
You will be shocked and start scrutinising your behaviour. When that happened to me, I was confused. But I knew that throughout my relationship with the narc, I was always willingly accepting blame for everything, I saw myself as faulty and damaged and was willingly allowing him to make fun of some of my odd behaviours and reactions. In fact, I was always saying I needed to do something about myself. How could he tell me that I was defensive after every sentence then? That just wasn’t adding up.
Talking to you as if nothing has happened
For some reason, the narc expects that he can walk all over you but you will happily forget it and talk to him as if nothing has happened when he decides to give you his attention again.
I remember one time, about six months post discard. Some of my possessions were still in the narc’s house and I contacted him wanting some stuff back because I was moving into a new house. He was suddenly all friendly, even offering to help me with the move and telling me that he was there for me if I needed anything.
I was quite outraged. I remembered one night shortly after the discard. It was perhaps the worst night of my life. I was in turmoil. The rejection and abandonment fears of my childhood stirred by the sudden collapse of what I used to consider my future. I felt as if I had a knot in the middle of my abdomen that was radiating pain and weird vibrations throughout my body. I felt completely lost. At that time, I had no friends in the city where I had moved with the narc three years prior to that. I messaged him desperately in the middle of that night – “If something happens with me, can I rely on you as a friend?” He never responded. Later, he ignored me for Christmas and only sent me a pathetic New Year’s wish at six AM, telling me that he hopes that I will find happiness in the new year. This was a foretaste of things to come.
But at that time six months after the discard, he suddenly wanted to chat with me as if nothing had happened. He tried a similar trick later when I again contacted him about some of my possessions. It was a lovely summer day and he asked me whether I was enjoying the weather. I cut the conversation short. Later, he would throw into my face that he couldn’t be bothered to have conversations about weather with me and pretend that we were OK…. (???!!!???)
Attacking you if you try to discuss behaviours that hurt you
I was very slow establishing what I was dealing with. About a year after the discard, I still felt a lot of emotional tension around the way the relationship collapsed. I wanted to talk to the narc and clear things up. I figured it should be possible to have a positive closure. I was partly blaming myself for not having always handled the situation in the right way. I knew I had fired a few angry emails during the discard, some of them containing what would qualify as abusive language, and I thought I had hurt the narc.
I wanted to keep the positive memories but I needed him to understand that his abruptly cutting me off after four years of what I used to think was a serious relationship had been psychologically very difficult for me. I wanted him to understand that his refusal to communicate with me was what had indeed been making me angry and lash out.
I had done a lot of reading since the discard. I understood that what he did was called stonewalling and I was worried I caused him to act like this by too harshly confronting him with his behaviours.
I thought he didn’t know what he was doing. I thought he stonewalled me because he felt overwhelmed and confused. I wanted to clear that up.
But my intentions hit something I had not expected. The narc told me that I was unhealthily dwelling on it. That he had long moved on, had no regrets whatsoever and that he hoped that one day I would be happy too (this would become his trademark line during our final communication exchanges). He also told me he regretted that I was in pain and hoped that I would get better soon.
He added something along the lines that the relationship had never really been that hot, that it simply ran it’s course, and that he saw absolutely no benefit in talking about anything. In fact, there was no obligation for him to talk to an ex at all, he said, making it clear to me beyond any doubt that he was truly annoyed by my insistence.
As he said, he had always been the type that simply turns the page, burns the bridge and never looks back.
This was way different from the guy who had been originally reassuring me that he would always love me and respect me. More shocking was the fact that this change happened during a time when I had essentially no contact with him.
The cognitive dissonance was tearing me apart and I thought it was a matter of life and death to put this on a positive footing. I wasn’t getting it. I didn’t know how to reconcile the memory of the reasonable kind person and this vile creature I was interacting with now. I really wanted to move on in peace, without resentment and bitterness.
But here is how it works in the world of a narcissist – if you feel resentment and anger towards someone, it’s your fault. You are resentful and bitter, that’s the reason for your feelings, not the fact that the narc treated you in ways that are disrespectful and outright mean.
For this narcissist, me having these difficult emotions was the exact excuse for not talking to me. In fact, he would say that he would talk to me in the future when I stop being resentful. And he would add that I clearly needed more time to get over it.
Refusing to meet you until you beg him
I was still clinging to the memory of the false self, trying to reach the person I used to think I knew.
I thought that the whole thing was some giant misunderstanding and I attributed it to the fact that we were communicating via email. I thought that if we meet face to face, we would be able to resolve the conundrum. I had no intention of getting back into the relationship and I reassured the narc that all I wanted was to get a peaceful closure.
Since the discard, my life had improved tremendously. I achieved a lot of psychological healing, made new friends and was aware of the fact that the narc clearly wasn’t on the same life trajectory as myself.
But when I interrupted the weird exchange of emails with a request to talk face to face, the answer was no. He doesn’t want to meet me, there is nothing to talk about and I have to accept it.
I was still emotionally hooked. I felt I must have contributed to creating the conflict and I wanted to resolve it. I don’t like interpersonal mess. I grew up in a highly dysfunctional family. My parents’ divorce was as bad as it could have been. Moreover, in my heart I am a peace and love new age hippie and I don’t like the idea of having to be reincarnated again in my future life into the same toxic situation (I honestly hope my only future encounter with the narc will be him being reincarnated as my daughter’s hamster).
At that time, I still didn’t understand that creating conflict deliberately and resisting attempts to resolve it is a typical modus operandi of a narcissist (the only way to resolve a conflict with a narcissist is to accept the narcissist’s version of events).
I did virtually beg the narc to meet me. That’s how important it was for me to leave this chapter of my life behind in peace and on good terms. He reluctantly agreed.
During the meeting I was struggling with cognitive dissonance. On one hand there was relief that the person who presented wasn’t as hostile as the one I had been interacting with via email. But still, negativity was virtually radiating from this person. The narcissist was very patronising and passive aggressively attacking my interests and personality.
Later I realised that I had spent the whole meeting trying to dispel his negative energy and placate him. I wasn’t any closer to my closure.
The ultimate silent treatment (when you start asking uncomfortable questions)
I guess you think I must have been really dumb, not being able to leave it behind and just move on. But as every narc victim knows, the cognitive dissonance is powerful and out attachment to the illusion of the past propels us forward as we desperately try to hold on to the memories and the belief that the whole thing, even if it didn’t last, was at least real and that the person who so abruptly discarded us, actually cared.
I did continue attempting communication with the narc. And he was willing to engage with me – as long as I was getting emotional, as long as I was defending myself, arguing with him, explaining myself.
But then I stopped. At that time I learned non-violent communication. I thought it would be the best tool to resolve such a confusing struggle. I was blaming myself for not communicating properly. I was blaming myself for losing it and lashing out. I thought it was up to me to make it right.
With non-violent communication, I started basically reflecting to the narc his own words and highlighting the discrepancies in his statements. He couldn’t handle it.
During our final exchanges, I heard a whole record of things that I had said and done in the past, some dating from the earliest times of the relationship, twisted in a way that could be used as ammunition to assassinate my character. Innocent remarks I made about other people, things I said or did and for which I had apologised a thousand times. It was all still there in the narc’s mind, fresh and ready to be used against me.
The problem was that I still wasn’t ready to let go. The last thing he told me was that we will touch base in the future when I stop being resentful.
The hacked Skype account
At about the time this drama was unfolding, I discovered that my Skype account had been hacked. I wanted to install the application on my new phone and realised I had long forgotten the password. I had been logged into my account on my computer for the past two years, never needed to enter the password.
As I tried to reset the password, I was quite shocked to see that the recovery address was something starting with p on a yahoo.gr domain. The ex narc is Greek. I tried to use the Skype recovery form to regain control over the account but it came back as owned by another email address that wasn’t mine. I knew this email address. The narc showed it to me in the early days of that relationship and told me it was his secret identity. I had no clue why he did that.

I had noticed some other strange behaviours on my Skype account even before that and I informed the narc about it. No response. I figured he did this before he discarded me when he had access to my computer. I used to be very trusting around him with my passwords. Back then I wouldn’t imagine in my worst nightmare that he would abuse my trust in this way.
Microsoft wasn’t able to recover my account. The narc changed too much information.
The grand punishment
I was really upset. I was still trying to reach the narc. I was also getting frustrated and angry by the behaviour I was experiencing (silent treatment is known to be more psychologically damaging than being yelled at).
At some point I realised there was still some of my stuff left in the narc’s house and I was curious to see whether he would respond to my request to have it returned if I ask him not to meet me in person but to mail it to me.
No response came. I reached out to a common acquaintance – perhaps she could ask him why he can’t respond to my legitimate request to have my stuff returned. Perhaps he can explain to me what’s this thing about my Skype account.
Her response shocked me – the narc was blaming me for dragging other people into a problem between him and me. She commented on his unpleasant and irritated demeanour during the conversation.
I finally got it. He was no lost soul. He was doing it all deliberately. You probably wonder why it took me so long (I leave that for another article but it has to do with my childhood conditioning).
At that moment I flipped. I flipped big time and sent him quite a barrage of emails, telling him all I have learned about his disorder and his behaviour. I was crying writing those emails, realising that the man I used to care about so much in a certain period of my life, was in fact a complete stranger and a really vile one.
The narc reported me to police for harassment. The man who spent three years of my life telling me how much he loved me adored me and worshipped me reported me to police for harassment when I threatened to tear down his likeable mask and expose him to the world. The man who hacked my Skype account reported ME to police for harassment.
When I was at the police station, I felt like I was a character in a bad film.
At least, I decided to see whether I could prove that the email address owning my account was indeed his. I to track this email address to an online nick name, which I was able to link to a Twitter account.
Again, the Twitter account is not under his real name, but I recalled he owned this Twitter account.
The most telling thing was that I was blocked from following this account. I had never followed him in the first place. I unfriended the narc on Facebook shortly after the discard because I simply didn’t want to see his happy snaps with friends while I was trying to figure out what happened to that once perfect relationship.
But I realised that the official narrative he was spreading among his circles was that I was obsessed with him and that I was stalking him. That made me realise how seriously ill this man must be – he hacked my Skype account but in his deranged mind he persuaded himself that it’s actually me, who is stalking him.
Light at the end of the tunnel
I am seriously tempted to post here all the screenshots linking his social media profiles to my hacked Skype account but I do have serious concerns he could send someone to throw acid into my face.
For all of you that are still in the thick of it, I want you to know that there will come a time when it all leaves your system. I can say that while it still occupies my mind occasionally, there are no longer any emotions connected to this whole saga. Not even the disgust and disbelief I used to feel after all the pieces of the puzzle finally fell into place. I still feel the fear sometimes what sort of damage the narc might attempt to do to me. I know that there are no limits for narcissists. In their ill minds, all their behaviour is completely justified. It’s really hard to fathom. Narcissists are scared to death of having their Mr Nice Guy mask pulled off and because they have no compassion, empathy and no ethics, they are ready to pull the heaviest guns.
I hope this is the end of the story but I will share more of the lessons that I have learned from this experience. The important thing for every single one of us is to learn to understand how we got ourselves into such a situation and learn to spot narcs and avoid them in the future.
Thank you for writing this. It hits so close to home with what I went through, and what I still struggle daily within myself. It’s been a couple of years now, and I’ve since remarried. My new wife has trouble understanding, but something so illogical is hard for anyone with rational thinking to get. I have to see my ex twice a week at pickup and drop off of our son, but I refuse to engage anymore in anything other than our child, and I keep that extremely monotone. I think the flashbacks are the worst. The ones that physically and mentally put you in that same place over and over. The reality of that moment that overtakes you. I hope you find peace. I push myself to focus daily on the good things I have in my life now. I hope good things happen to you to help you heal.
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Hi, thank you for your comment. It’s been a journey but I have to say I have learned a lot from it. All the best to you 🙂
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Thank you so much for writing this. I am experiencing the discard phase at the moment with my Narc ex best friend and I am so emotionally drained. All the manipulative tricks mixed with lack of contact is such hard work. I will read this again if I’m ever tempted to go back.
Thanks
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Hi Emma, I am sending a big hug. I know this is a very tough time for you. Be very gentle with yourself and really focus on your healing. You will be free and stronger than ever…. For me, the journey was really mad and I had to face some really insane emotions but I can’t described how much better I feel today then I ever felt before…. And you will as well…
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Your story is the same as mine. But I was with him seventeen years. I was hoovered after I hadn’t seen him for a year. He begged to talk to me, drove to my house, left jewellery in my letterbox and begged me to marry him. Within two weeks he discarded me even more cruelly than the one a year before that. I did the same as you I begged for closure from what I thought was the love of my life. I tried everything but I was not allowed. Even though he could turn up at my place. He put a restraining order on me after apologising and all the crap that goes with it. I think I would feel peace if he was no longer in this world. That’s the depths of despair they take you to. Thanks for sharing, no one gets the trauma I endured again after going through it a year before and having a heart attack. He never came to the hospital I lay in the critical cardiac ward he did not walk through the door. Nearly two decades with a total stranger that masqueraded as my best friend.
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I am so sorry that you had to go through this. The humiliation when the actual deranged person takes this sort of legal action against you and everyone trusts them is horrible. it was the moment when I realised I need to dedicate my energy to changing things. It’s terrible. Yes, total stranger masquerading for your best friend – that rings very true. The cognitive dissonance is insane. And the understanding that you have spent so much time in the clutches of someone seriously deranged is chilling. When it comes to feeling peace when he is no longer in this word – I sort of did a visual exercise for myself, burying him. It felt quite good. There will always be this weird hole in your life story – who the hell did I spent so much time with? Please take good care of yourself. Focus on your healing. A big hug.
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Thank you for this, reading this makes me feel better. I discarded my narc only a week ago, after 3 years relationship. Its still hard and the pain is there, but not as it was before. Mine is a classic text book narcissist, I even wonder maybe he read about some tactics and tested those on me. It took me a long while to realise what’s happening, I was constantly looking for a logical explanation for all cruel and horrible behavior, but knowing this person is just a sick puppy was the only thing that actually helped. What is hardest at the moment is the anger. Because everyone else thinks this guy is great, kind, amazing…I know he is grooming other victims online, his target audience usually are single mothers, depressed women, people with confidence issues, overall vulnerable people… He discarded me once horibly, after that started to whine “let’s at least be friends” and naive as I am, I agreed only to get devaluation again. I threw him to the curb while he started hoovering. Told him he is a “funny little guy”, I am bored by him and don’t want to be involved with him in any way. Maybe a revenge is coming my way, but he is in a different country and somehow don’t care much about that anymore. Just gratefull to avoid the Grand Finale which I am sure was about to come. My heart goes to all of those being misstreated by these kind of people, jerks like that should be isolated.
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Thank you for your comment Ema. You did the right thing. I recommend you have compassion and patience with yourself. It’s absolutely OK to feel anger. Accept it, the anger is there for a reason. At some point you will understand that all those people who think he is amazing are just brain-washed flying monkeys. They live in a lie. You have been initiated, you know the truth and they are not on your level of understanding.
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Thank you so much! I have been reading article after article, and this is the first time in my life that this has happened. I to was discarded After shortly 5 months thank god this didn’t go on any longer. He promised to move away we were planning it. He told me he loved me after one month, then after two months said he wants me to be his wife, then slowly but surely another couple months in slowly discarded me out of no where! No arguing nothing! I had no contaCt after two and a half months and I get a text saying what’s up and I love you have. Good night, as if nothing happened? When I saw him in person I asked was there anything I did ? Anything and he said no. Like ?? WTF? MKes nonsense sonthen he talks to me through text in and off , and asks me what I would like to do tonight? I replied and he read it and now nothing again. Like wow! I know I’m a great person just boggles my mind how someone has no feelings. But I relate to everything you said. He has a problem with himself and I feel I will kill him with kindness and be boring next time he tries to contact me. I did send. Good morning after 4 days just to be positive and nothing. So I told myself no more
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Thank you for your comment. I am sorry to hear what you are going through but it sounds you are seeing through it quite well, which is positive 🙂
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Thank you.i was almost beginning to believe I was crazy…but it was as if everything you wrote was about me!I am stuck in the discard phase-with no way out.no family,no friends,no money… stuck.i actually see the last 14 years for what they really are now(besides a big waste of the prime years of my life),but can’t do anything about it.everything you described is exactly how my narcissist boyfriend is.ive known for along time something was really different and wrong,just didn’t know what to call it or how to explain it to people.(when I still had family and friends)I will probably die here,but thank you for validating everything that’s happened to me.believe it or not,I find some peace with this knowledge.again,thank you
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Hi Kara. Thank you for your comment. I am so sorry to hear what you are are going through but I am glad if my blog helped. You will rebuild your life, I am sure. When I was being discarded, I was in a somewhat similar situation. I am from a very dysfunctional family, I couldn’t expect support from them, I was living for that relationship and totally neglected to nurture any friendships. It was terrible. But there is a way out, I know that it’s horrible – and yes, wasting so many years of your life for this fraud, that’s just horrible, but you will get out of it. I can hear that you are really feeling bad and it makes me really sad. Just don’t give up on yourself. You deserve much more in life…
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Omg other than the Skype hacking, I felt like I was reading my own life story with my ex- even the harrassment report for attempting to expose his true personality- I had to go to court!!! This is unbelievable to me. I wish I had known about this disorder 2 years ago. I could not understand how the most amazing person turned into an evil, vile, passive aggressive bully who blamed me for his treatment. It does give me closure to know he will just eventually treat everyone else the same.
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Hi Jill and thank you for your comment. I am so sorry to hear what has happened to you. I hope you are recovering from this madness. People who are not able to face their sh..t are always bound to repeat their patterns. The only thing that might happen with these types is that they will learn to better mask their game. They will read articles like this, they will read about the red flags and they will change the narrative to better play the victims. But they cannot hide the truth forever. Eventually, they get bored with their supply and unless it is someone who asks for nothing and blends into the background, they will discard. If not discard, they will have their parallel life. Thank god we are now wiser, although our lessons were learned the hard way…
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Can I tell you my story? well, my story its a carbon copy of yours and the many ones out there victims of these broken people. I was married for 17 years and 20 all together. Always knew something wasn’t right but there was always a justification of some sort…three years ago all changed, the beast woke up…but all I can say to all of you is: Karma never loses an address, we’re victims but we survived, they picked us for a reason and they discarded us for the same “we are good hearth people” we have feelings and they don’t, they live an a perpetual agony because they don’t even know who they are or how to love, tell me if thats not a life sentence for a human? They don’t change, we change. They don’t change, because they can’t, a lie is a lie, its false and false doesn’t exist. knowledge its power and is there where I have found my peace, my closure, my sweet revenge without one, because I know for certain that “he will search for me in other people but he will never find me” Only one piece of advise to those who are facing it, or had or will, when you unmask the narcissist run, run as far away as you can, stay away, give up things, explanations or reasonings, none of that it’s going to happen and you will deplete your energy and that’s the energy that you will need to move on. They will hoover you, they will try for you to feel pity for them, they will seduce you and the cycle will repite itself, because thats their addiction, they can helped it. Learn each one of their manipulation techniques, their behaviors and traits so you can exit with sanity and integrity. Thank you for your piece and your blog, yes (unfortunately-irony) we are not alone…because they are everywhere. Fortunately we talk and we share our experiences and we heal and move on, thats the victory of good people, they always have a chance!
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Thank you for your comment. I am glad you have recovered 🙂
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Hello Teresa,
I believe that you and I have had a very similar story in many ways. I am a man and I met my ex narcissist 3 years ago, it seemed like love at first sight and she promised me that she would never hurt me, give me the closure I needed and we planned to go to France to live there together (I am from there). She always stated that she was afraid to engage and that she needed time in order to sort things out and move in with me. She however made plan to move in with me five month ago.
15 days before our moving together, we were out in a nearby city and we had a fight because I could not find my car and she wanted me to drop her off home with her car.
Although I was okay to do that, I wanted just to know the location of my car to make sure I would not get towed away the next day. She got angry, took the wheel and left without me. The main issue was that she sent me later on the exact location of my car so she knew from the start where was I parked and I will never understand why we had all this fight for nothing at the end.
Hence, she discarded me and met a new person whom she moved in with within a matter of two days after that night! She has also given him everything that she asked me to wait for in three years because she told me she wanted to make sure we were right for each other (I would not detail everything but I am sure you get the gist).
In 5 month I got no closure and she treatened to file a police report for harrasment because I wanted to get closure and see her as we never saw each other after that night (I called everyday in the first week, then once a month).
I got to call her yesterday because it was harder on my end more than anything and she agreed to meet, she said “call me at 4”.
When I called her, she laughed, insulted me and hung up.
My question to you is: do you think narcissists always come back, even after doing the worst things to you and if yes, why?
Did the ex who did all of this to you ever tried to get in touch with you?
Ps: I now discovered her real truth and did let her know that Id advice her to seek assistance and that her behavior is just childish and deceptive. I no longer want anything to do with her but I am still curious.
Sorry to write such a long message, but I felt that maybe talking with someone who has a similar history would make me feel better.
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Thank you for your comment. I am really sorry that you have to go through this. I know how mad it is, someone you once trusted with your entire heart suddenly turning out to be the worst enemy, treating you like utter garbage…
To answer your question, I don’t think they always come back. The narc I was involved with will never try to contact me again. He went way too far. Instead he will keep spreading a story that I am some obsessed stalker crazy ex that can’t get over him. That’s the story he went with to the police. If he ever dared to contact me, I would contact the police, I would consider it a provocation and I would seek a restraining order or something of that kind. I don’t think he is that stupid to even try. And I think in his deranged mind he really does believe his stories. I do think that these disorders are far more serious then people think. They live in their delusional reality, which is totally based on their projections. They don’t see you are you, a unique human being. They see their projection. They never have a relationship with you. Just with that projection. Anyway. If you need anymore advice or support, I am offering one to one coaching sessions. You can contact me via the contact form. It’s better to talk about this stuff privately. Either way, I wish you all the strength you need on this challenging healing journey.
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Great article! Did he ever get back in touch after reporting you to the police? Or was that it and it was properly over?
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No he did not. He would be a complete idiot to try that. That would be provocation and I would immediately report him. I think he absolutely believes his delusions, he really believes that I am some sort of a stalker desperately in love with him, that’s the story he made up for himself to feed his need for narcissistic supply. That’s very much the same story he had about his previous discard – that she is still in love with him and can’t get over him. That’s a story he creates to make himself feel better about himself (what a loser, I can’t believe I ever allow this low life to touch me…) So yes, it was over with the police thing. I just had to deal with my PTSD and with the shock that I gave four years of my life to a psychopath and that I really believed that he was a love of my life… they are really good actors and manipulators. Obviously, all our common acquaintances have been fed the story how desperate I am anyway. Good riddance of all these people. Let them have fun with the narc.
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Wow… this story really hit home. I lived through most of this, including my ex calling the cops to tell them that I wanted to hurt myself, even though he was the one that came to me and started berating me. Funny coincidence, my ex was also Greek. The grand finale for me was it. He’s dead to me. He tried to contact me a month ago, and he tried contacting my friend as well, but we didn’t answer. Good riddance. I did expose him to those closest to him, and although I’m sure they think I’m crazy, someone needed to know about the messed up things he was doing. I rocked the boat, and it hurt me like hell to do it, but I got pushed to a point of no return. He hurt me in so many ways when I gave him all my love, support, and trust. I don’t feel anger anymore. I know I’m better off. I’ve come out stronger and more resilient after this. I have my goals and dreams that I want to accomplish, and thankfully, everything I’ve wanted to achieve, I’ve been able to do so. It’s tough to overcome the hurt. You care about someone more than yourself, and they don’t care at all. But i’m glad that this all happened in a way. It has taught me to be a little more selective and selfish about the love I give to others. It has reminded me that I’m #1, my self-care and self-love are more important as well as boundaries, and I should trust actions instead of words. If I knew what I know now, I would have saved myself from a nightmare of a relationship. I’m much happier now though. So at peace! It really feels like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders! Thank goodness!!!
Peace, love +healing to all =)
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Thank you for sharing your story 🙂 And I am really glad you came out of it stronger. I for fact don’t think that it’s a coincidence that your narc is also Greek. I do think that these cultures breed a lot of them. It’s because how the family is structured. They are all spoiled mummy’s boys. Brats with no boundaries, allowed to get away with everything. At the same time because their mother’s are kind of overpowering and they can’t really resist them, they tend to be closeted mysogynists. The narc I was with and his gang of similarly immature losers loved to make fun and ridicule all sorts of women on Facebook. It was really sickening. Every other woman was a bitch. You only realise how dangerous they are when their venom turns against you. I learned that if a man talks badly about a woman – any woman, being it a crazy bitch ex or a bitch girlfriend of a friend or another bitch he hates because she is so and so – it’s just a matter of time when he will talk like this about you. And treat you like the worst garbage. They are nobodies with no real worth and this is the only way they can make themselves feel worthy. They manipulate you, love bomb you and then throw you into the ditch and when you come back and start asking questions, you are a crazy stalker. I hope lady karma delivers a lovely lesson to this loser. I do still feel anger and I am using it to spread awareness. It was a mad experience and I don’t want anyone to go with this. They have red flags all over their faces and I want people to learn to see them immediately. Peace, love, joy, abundance and everything your soul desires to you too 🙂
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Thanks for your response Tereza. You made some excellent points that I didn’t think about before. What really struck me was the part of his mother being overpowering and seeing him be a closeted mysogynist. That was especially true in my relationship. He spoke poorly about many women, especially his sisters. I always found it weird and in poor character, but I always brushed it off as him just having disagreements with his siblings. Then when I saw the way he would treat me when I would speak up about women’s issues, or agendas that were important to me, he would always undermine them and say that they weren’t important. I’ve been told by many people that men from these cultures are like this. I don’t like to stereotype, but after experiencing it myself, I believe it to be true. I’d love to speak to you one on one. Is there a way to do so? DM?
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Yeah, the narc I was with would always tell me that I don’t know these people if I questioned the way he talked about them. The Greek men are really a subtype – a lot of things that they do are things that in other cultures are associated with women – the gossiping, hanging out with those groups of best friends forever. They are also absolutely immature. Like they are in their 30s and their mummies are still coming to their homes to do their chores. Totally unhealthy family dynamic. They never need to take responsibility for themselves. This narc’s sister was the same though. His only hobby was watching TV, her only interest in life was shopping. When he went abroad, he dumped his dog onto his parents, then his sister had a baby and she started campaigning for that dog to be put away because she wanted the parents to take care of her baby and she didn’t like the dog. Like seriously ridiculous people. I remember when I started dating that narc, there was another Greek guy in that school were we met and he told me ‘you are going to get into trouble with this guy’. I didn’t understand what he meant. Obviously, the narc was love-bombing me at that time, doing all the mirroring and presenting himself as the most mature and evolved prince charming, so I brushed those guy’s words off. Well, I learned later. SO not every Greek men is this but the trend is there. Now when I go on online dating apps, I never go out with Greeks and Italians. It’s stereotyping on my site and clearly not all men from these cultures are like this but the lessons were really crazy. You can contact me via the contact form on the website. But I have to say I usually can’t maintain communications outside my coaching sessions. I apologise if it sounds harsh but I was targeted by trolls in the past pretending to be people that need to talk. And also, since the blog is growing, I started receiving quite a bit of emails, which I am grateful about but it becomes unsustainable to maintain communications. That’s why I started offering coaching for people who really need support.
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That is so true! My ex was super gossipy. It was funny to me at the time, but then I always wondered what he would say about me… the interesting part is that my ex’s sisters never married greeks… I always wondered that. I guess I don’t need to anymore. Also, my ex still lives with his parents at 33 years old. Maybe that should have been a big red flag as well?
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Yeah, the family dynamics tend to be very enmeshed and unhealthy. They pretend that they are ‘close’ but in fact they are enmeshed. The child never develops independent personality. They are still dependent on the mother and subconsciously hate her and then project that hate onto the discarded partners who get treated like shit. The mothers will eventually pay for their creations because once they will need help, these spoiled boys will not help them. My ex used to claim how much he loved his grandfather. That grandfather was on his death bed for two years. During those two years, my ex went to see him twice, for about two minutes each time. it was his grandmother and mother who were taking care of the grandfather but the loving grandson did exactly nothing to help. That shows you how much he loved him, doesn’t it? Anyway. I love gossiping about narcs 🙂 So many crazy stories to share 🙂 He was also bragging about the fact that his best friend left him alone with his then new girlfriend and what a character he is that he didn’t try to seduce her – that shows you what is in his mind. He thinks he deserves a medal for not trying to seduce a best friend’s GF.
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It really is crazy how their dynamic is. I remember being told by my ex, ” you missed out on being part of a great family.” I thought, no thanks!
I actually was close with his family in the short amount of time that I knew them, and they were always very nice to me. I felt bad for a while when I told his sisters that I was leaving their brother. I was not very nice about it, and I do regret that, but like I mentioned before, my ex was driving me to the point of insanity. I even had suicidal thoughts. I felt so mentally drained, worthless, like a huge pile of garbage. I had never felt those things before, and I have been in relationships before where I didn’t feel this immense pain inside me. My ex on the other hand was never in serious relationship before. That should have been my other red flag. I do wish I had ended things better. Just walked away and maintained no contact. But I got so tired of being berated and treated like an option. I was so incredibly hurt because the man I fell in love for, the man I gave my ultimate loyalty and support (especially when he needed it during his trouble at work), he just didn’t care about me or my feelings. He didn’t care to understand. He had no intention of fixing things. It was always empty promises, giving me false hope, only to act like an asshole again and again. He swore up and down that he never cheated on me, but I think he did. He liked the attention of multiple females. He would say they were friends, but he never mentioned them to me. His behavior seemed so shady. I felt so many times like I couldn’t pinpoint the problem, and it really made me feel crazy. But I guess this is what these type of people do…
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What you said here is an absolute hallmark of the aftermath of a relationship with a narcissist and I can total identify with every word: ‘I felt so mentally drained, worthless, like a huge pile of garbage. I had never felt those things before, and I have been in relationships before where I didn’t feel this immense pain inside me.’
That’s how you know you were with a narc.
Yeah, being treated like an option – also remember that – maybe I will keep you and maybe I will not (when before you were the best of the best, right? The love of his life…).
No intention to fix things but kind of enjoys if you are willing to be strung along – so that in the future he can brag what a king he is because you couldn’t get over him (what a loser, no other word can describe that.)
Giving you false hope, future faking, pretending that he intends to ‘change’ etc…. just a load of shit. Horrible people. I hope they get it all back…
The cheating thing – same here. I have no evidence and I have no need to search for it but I am quite certain he did. In fact, once I discovered a few long blond hairs on his shirt. At that time I still blindly trusted him. I was like ‘hahaha, if it wasn’t you honey I would have thought you are cheating on me…’ Knowing what I know today, I believe that what I saw on his face afterwards was what they call duper’s delight. Later I even asked him. He said “don’t think like that.” You see? He didn’t say no, he didn’t say why do you think that? He is trying to manipulate me by telling me what to think… Toxic losers and one day everyone will know how to spot them and no one will want to deal with them so they will only have other narcissists, psychopaths and sociopaths to socialise with. That’s what I call karma.
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yes!! My ex would say that too…”Don’t Think That Way!” or “You’re being dramatic.” or “Why is everything a big deal with you?” He also never apologized properly. He would always say, “we both did wrong, we both made mistakes.” And I always held myself accountable for the mistakes I made, which I did, but he never took accountability for his mistakes. It felt like a backhanded apology. I think I also made these mistakes because he was driving me insane. There was so much inconsistency. I never felt safe with him. I never felt like I could trust him. Every day I would wake up and wonder what would happen. If today would be the day the relationship would end. I found myself doing things that I’ve never done in relationships before because I didn’t trust him, and I was also desperate to fix things. I completely forgot my self worth. He also told me he was gambling alot, and asking for my help to fix himself. I always supported him with that. Asked him to come to meetings with me to fix his addiction. Then he would turn around and say I wanted to control him and what he was doing. It was truly insanity. After he lied to me a few times that he wouldn’t gamble, after he kept some things to me about certain female “friends” I just had enough. He told me once, “You can’t live without me. You need me in your life. You’re never going to leave me.” That’s when I lost it. I made myself look bad in front of his family because I exploded. I let it all out. I definitely went the low road when I did that, but I was so enraged. I wish I hadn’t because I definitely validated whatever crazy thing he has said about me, but at this point, it doesn’t matter. It became a point of standing up for myself, and not allowing anyone to disrespect me the way he was. It was tough for me because I felt so bad. It was so out of character for me, but at the same time, I’m liberated from that situation. Maybe the bridges I burnt are lighting the way for me…
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You put up with a lot of covert abuse and invalidation and manipulation. No surprise you exploded. It’s called reactive aggression. Don’t be harsh at yourself. That’s what they do to people. They deliberately work on your triggers. They love when you lose it because than they can tell everyone ‘ look I told you, she is a crazy bitch.’ But don’t you worry. Once he has a longer string of crazy bitches under his belt, people will start asking questions. They can’t have healthy relationships. They are bound to repeat their patterns. Unless a more stupid and gullible victim with an even lower amount of self-respect is willing to put up with that.
And yes, he was also telling me that I will never find anyone better than him… Well, I can have a hundred losers like him in one day if I want to…
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The best thing I have done is go no contact. I got rid of anything and everything that reminded me of him. I feel myself becoming a healthier, happier individual. I still like to vent to my friends because every little bit helps, but every day I feel better and better. There are some days when something triggers my memory: a song, a place, a certain smell. And I get sad because I really cared about this person a lot. But then I remind myself of the toxic relationship I was in, and I brig myself back to reality. It’s been one of the most challenging and at the same time, enriching experiences I have had in my life because I’ve learned so much about myself and what I want and don’t want In my life. I guess it’s true that some experiences are meant to happen to us. For a time, I was very angry at myself for not having left before, but I always gave him the benefit of the doubt, thinking he would actually be better to me. Knowing I can have this immense love for someone, tells me that this wasn’t my loss, and that the only person that can heal me from all this is myself. It’s truly empowering when you feel yourself get out of the hole. I feel my true self coming back: the happy, bubbly, strong woman I’ve been before. I don’t wish him any harm. On the contrary, I still pray for him. I hope he is well and changes his ways someday. Not for me, but for himself and his family. I know that I brought a lot to the table, more than other people. And I know someday I will find that person that will truly love and care for me. That’s the exciting part! I now have learned what I need to stay away from, and now I can grow and blossom to an even better woman than before. That’s how I’ve gained my power, strength, and kindness back from this whole thing. Some people may not understand because they haven’t been through it, but I think this experience has given me even more compassion and empathy for the struggles of others. Life is tough as it is, even tougher when you’re with the wrong person.
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At the end you will understand that it wasn’t him you loved. It was a character he created at the beginning to lure you into the relationship. He used mirroring the create the perfect guy, exactly the way you wanted him. Whatever feelings you still have, they are for this false character not the actual person.
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Sometimes I’ve wondered if he was even smart enough to be this evil. To purposefully and intentionally hurt someone that you know cares about you. I never thought he was that smart to do that, but maybe I was wrong.
I appreciate you writing about your experiences, and having a blog like this. I found you through Quora, another site where I follow the topic on Narcissistic abuse. I have found it so helpful to read these stories of other men and women that have gone through a situation similar to mine. For a while, I thought I was crazy, and that I was the only one going through this. I blamed myself a lot for what happened. Reading about all this though has definitely helped me understand what was happening. I will start following your blog, and reading through all your articles. They are very helpful. Thank you so much!!!
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Yeah, it’s a huge relief to find out that this experience has a name – narcissistic personality disorder – and that you were not to blame, quite on the contrary. Even if you were a saint, it would have ended the same way. There probably were reasons why you got yourself into that situation and why you stayed with it but ultimately, that relationship was doomed from the start. Because that’s the nature of NPD. Are they just so totally mentally ill that they don’t understand what they are doing or are they doing it deliberately? I do believe that the narc I was with knew very well what he was doing. I do think that he was fantasising about me committing suicide so that then he could brag in front of other people that I never got over him and at the same time put on his great act ‘oh, I feel so sorry that she never got it together.’ Wrong girl sick fuck. You messed with the wrong girl. Now I will never stop until the whole world knows how to spot a narc and a psychopath. That’s their biggest weakness – they don’t see who you are. They only see their projection, their story. That means that they don’t know who you are, they underestimate you. And because they are grandiose, and because they managed to fool you already, they think you are totally stupid. As I am building up this blog, I have no doubt that he keeps monitoring it (he always spied on everyone, exes, crazy bitches, I am sure he is spying on me as well). Smetimes I see some suspicious traffic from Greece. So imagine that – I am writing all this stuff, he is super concerned about his fake Mr Nice Guy facade – but I have lived with him for nearly four years. I know all his dark secrets. And he is concerned that people that we both know will start believing me – so he needs to keep smearing me and smearing me to make everyone believe that indeed I am crazy and I am the narcissist. And I am building a blog that people react to very well, confirming my story. I plan to start psychotherapy training so that no one can dismiss me anymore. I am having other success in life, I am getting more and more credible. Well. Eventually he will get bored of his next supply – that will be super stressful for him – because if even his next break-up is odd (just as the one with me and the one with the one before me and the one before who he always called the crazy bitch) then people will start putting two and two together. If you build your life on lies and delusions, it’s going to come crashing down. I also still wonder whether I should pursue the fact that he hacked my SKype account. I have quite a lot of evidence. This guy works in a security sensitive industry. I wonder how his employer would like to know that he has the history of hacking other people’s communication channels, which is a criminal offence. I am probably not going to do anything about it because I have other stuff to do and quite frankly, I just want to purge all this experience and the toxicity from my system and live my life happy ever after and focus on all the awesome things that are out there for me.
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I feel that there’s no point in retaliation. I felt that need to do so myself, and I could have done a lot of damage to my ex’s reputation and career, but I went against doing that. I had enough with his family knowing about things that happened between us. The time and energy is consuming to go after someone. I just let it go. I’ll let karma and the universe decide what they want to do with him. I had to purge that hatred out of my heart because it was hurting me more. I also had, still have, respect for his family, and I didn’t want to cause anymore hurt by going after his career or his reputation. He knows what he did, and he deserved every horrible thing that could have happened, but it’s not for me to be judge, jury and executioner. I’ve forgiven myself for any mistakes I made, and I’ve forgiven him for hurting me. I don’t intend on ever speaking to him again, but the forgiveness is for me. For my soul to feel cleansed and renewed. I’ve been blessed with extremely supportive people in my life. I’ve been blessed with a wonderful career, a lovely home. No matter what happened, I’m still moving forward. So I personally don’t seek revenge. I’m just happy that I don’t have to hear from him again. That’s the biggest win! Lol
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As I said, I am not going to go after him either, exactly because it’s time consuming and time is precious. But I see a big difference between seeking revenge and seeking justice. If you were a victim of a crime, you want justice. In whichever form it comes. For me, a big part of getting justice is telling the story with all details so that no one can ever invalidate me and treat me like some sort of an unstable idiot again. I have had enough of that and at some point it was too much and I said enough, no more. That is my justice. My justice is for the entire world to see that it’s been me who has been harmed by an extremely manipulative, toxic and deranged person and that so many people contributed to that injustice that has happened to me. I do believe that the desire for justice is inherent to human nature and it’s what your soul naturally longs for. The desire for revenge only comes when you can’t have justice or you believe you can’t have justice. I don’t care about revenge but justice will come.
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Yes, you definitely worded it better than I. Revenge was not the correct word, but having justice. What do you do to get justice? I know you started a blog, and you are here in this open forum, helping others, but what about other people that can’t do that?
For me personally, my justice is not only being liberated from this situation, but also being and presenting my best self to the world. Striving to become even more successful than before, building my empire, loving & healing myself, getting fit, meeting new people, and make even more amazing memories. Not giving anyone the satisfaction that they broke me or left me in a ditch. To be able to say that I did persevere despite the abuse. That I became stronger because of it. That to me is justice.
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I think if you truly feel at peace with everything inside then you are fine. I still do have anger in me. Not all the time but sometimes it bubbles up. There were more narcissists in my life, starting with my family, so I had to deal with a lot of injustice, being unjustly judged, people spreading smears about me. It was too much so there is something in me that still feels a lot of anger because of all that and I feel that I need to use this anger to spread this awareness and speak up not only for myself for everyone in the present and future who might be in the same situation. To empower people to make the world a better place because as long as people trust narcissists and psychopaths, there will be innocent people suffering. I am using my anger to contribute to what I believe is a necessary change of the psychological awareness. You might have found your peace and justice, or maybe you have found it for now. Maybe in the future you will again start feeling the anger when you remember what you had to go through and how tough it was and maybe then you will feel that in the name of that once broken girl you want to do something more. I am not saying that everyone has to start a blog, we all have our ways how we can best contribute to the society and I guess if you are meant to do more in that you will know and you will know how. For me it’s a very strong feeling. My anger is like an extremely powerful source of fuel. I always think that now I want to start writing about other aspects of my journey and leave the narc stuff in the past but it still doesn’t want to let me go. Then I start having thoughts and inspirations and I feel impelled to write more articles. As long as this keeps happening, I will know that my soul wants me to continue with this, that it’s not yet satisfied with what I have done and with how I fought for myself.
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I completely agree with your point, and I think you’re doing a great thing by exposing these people and educating others on the red flags that these people present. I saw a ton of red flags in the first month I started talking to my ex, and I think subconsciously I knew about all of these things and I knew there was something off about him, but I thought I was just afraid because I liked someone new. I just brushed the feeling off. If I had trusted my gut more, and if I had more knowledge on this, I would have ran for the hills. I never would have given this guy the time of day.
Keep telling your story! This is your way to fight back and seek justice, and I think it’s great. If I hadn’t read your story, I wouldn’t be here looking at all your articles and all the great advice you are giving to others. Hearing about your situation helps me realize that I wasn’t crazy for the things I was feeling. I wasn’t wrong. Thanks again!
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Thanks 🙂 It’s great to hear that what I am doing helps 🙂
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Quick question Tereza, you mentioned TM helping you a lot during your healing process. How can I learn more about TM?
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I learn TM in London, there are many independent teachers that teach TM for decent prices. Most of the time, people are learning with the TM movement, which in my opinion is totally overpriced. If you google around, you will find instructions online as well as the mantras – if you have ever done any other type of meditation before it might be enough. Then you have to stick to it twice a day and most likely, things will start happening.
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Thank you for sharing. This is so close to what I experienced, you write it so well. Often I can’t even explain to others how it was to be romantically involved with a narcissist. Like your ex my narc also called the police on me trying to expose me as being a stalker. Weird thing is that he is now moving in the appartment in the building next to me. I thought he was the love of my life and we would grow old together. It was all a mask. Now he will be showing his new supply. Should I warn her? I really don’t know.
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Thank you for your comment and sorry that you have to go through all this mess. I would recommend you not telling her anything. She would not trust you. She is being love-bombed, manipulated by the narcissist, just as you were at the start of the relationship. She thinks he is the best of the best, her soul mate, perfect prince. You would just confirm his claims that you are a crazy stalker. Stay away. She will have to learn the lessons herself. Maybe then she will remember you and understand that you were never a crazy stalker but a victim of a manipulative psycho. Take a good care of yourself!
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Thanks for the advise. It is hard but I think you are right. You are doing a great job educating people about this disorder.
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Thanks, I am really glad my writing helps. Also, narcs are vindictive, if you speak to his new supply, you could seriously piss him off and then he would really go overboard. The narc I used to be involved with reported me after I spoke to a common acquaintance about his behaviour towards me. She asked him why he was treating me the way he was and that set him off. He started claiming that I am ‘harassing his friends’. That’s when he showed his true colours.
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Thanks for sharing you experience.
I wonder if he was even that smart after all. He made a few ‘mistakes’ and I started calling him out on his game. That’s when his previously apparently caring behaviour changed because essentially I wasn’t ‘fooled’ anymore. He started acting distant, indifferent, at first gradually, then quite overtly. Started forgetting things he himself had agreed and decided. Suddenly they were **poof** out of the picture and if I would bring them up in conversation (non-confrontationally) he would just shrug them off as not important.
These people are so self-centred that they cannot even begin to comprehend the damage they inflict on others. At the end, it’s not even worth arguing with them and trying to make them understand, because they never will. They have the emotional intelligence of a 5 years old. With the big difference that 5 years old children grow. They never grow. They keep sucking the life out of others because they are too weak to have a life of their own. Emotional vampires who discard you when you don’t play their game anymore, so they simply move on and look for another fool to play with.
The difficult thing for us is to get our confidence back. We are not crazy. We haven’t gone insane. The recovery is slow, but we should never give up.
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Thank you for your comment Sara. Once we understand that it’s a disorder and that all that person’s behaviour is a result of that disorder, it starts making sense. But I remember the shock and disbelief when the man who proclaimed his undying love and respect for me so many times suddenly went ‘well, maybe we should break-up’. I think my confidence is back, even better then before. What I find difficult is the ability to trust. I used to be so certain about that relationship so now I find it difficult to trust not only others but my own instinct with people. He caused me a lot of psychological harm and he did it deliberately. Even after the discard I wanted to keep fond memories… well, he made it absolutely impossible. And I hope that Lady Karma gets him and gets him hard.
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Thank you Tereza. You are spot on the trust. I went through the same issue. For some time I hated him because he made me “suspicious of people”, unable to trust people, especially people genuinely saying something nice to me.
I also remember right after the discard I told a friend that I hated him not because of his childish behaviour, but because he ruined my memories. We had seen beautiful places of the world together and for some time those memories where associated with him. It ruined them. Then slowly things improved, but it was hard at the beginning.
Yay, Lady Karma must be a busy bee 😉
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Yeah, the think with the memories is quite difficult. You have to go inside and sort of reframe every single memory you have of that person. All those seemingly super romantic moments that felt so real. You have to go in and understand that it was just the disordered person playing a role, like an actor in a romantic comedy. There was nothing real but you were made to feel it was real… Fortunately, I do not have these flashbacks anymore but it was quite intense…
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I would love to hear from people that have moved on and found subsequent relationships that are healthy and renew their hope that their is a light at the end of the confusion and trauma. I am at 8 months post discard. As soon as I realized he found a new shiny supply, weeks after the discard he cut me off from the 3 kids I had been step mom to for 8 years. Since I did not give up my career for him and kept a wonderful job that had me still living alot on my own in a town 45 minutes away, I have no common law status andhe is so cunning to keep me from having any parental rights, I was cut off from thelods as soon as I found out and served papers to terminate our relationship. We were friends for 9 years before we became partners. It was only 8 weeks after his wife passed away that he was pursuing me. At the time I thought it was because we were already friends and I kept him at bay for several months, knowing it was too soon. But I gave in as he was so pushy and charming and had plans for a life together. It wasnt long until I felt the red flags, being yelled at for the first time ever, being told my degree in physiology was just a dinky gym degree. Calling his mom and sister a bitch and crazy. I think that was the biggest red flag. That he degraded and demeaned his mom in front of everyone and emasculated his dad. But everyone loves him. He is super wealthy, powerful business man and a pillar of the community. Buying his way into being the hero all the time. Over time things got worse and worse and I knew it wasnt healthy. But the highs were incredible and we were so passionate. In the end I know he stayed until he found a friend to become lovers with. Someone who doesnt question him. The worst part is the cutting off from the whole family and that everyone on the outside thinks he is a hero. One day I will be glad to not be with a workaholic and be with someone that is real and looks me in the eye and wonders what I think. The poor kids never got to see me again. But the story I am sure he told that all is well.
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Thank you for your comment Jenny. You are right. Their ability to present to Mr Nice Guy mask and fool about anybody is incredible. Unbelievable really. They fooled us as well, at the beginning. Remember that… When it comes to your question – the experience with a narcissist is life changing on many levels. You have to really understand why you got into this situation and heal your inadequacies and codependent tendencies. You will reach a level of self-awareness and emotional and psychological maturity that is way above the global average and you will know that if you are to let someone into your life, it would have to be the right person… You don’t want to be in a relationship for the sake of the relationship or feeling better and cared for. You want to be in a relationship that is right for you and enriches your life. Otherwise, I think it’s better to be just with yourself.
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Hi Tereza
Thank you so much for your response. I do agree that this time is for coming back home to myself. I am not interested or ready yet for a new relationship. I am determined to heal to hole in myself that has sought out someone elses confidence and strength to buoy what I did not have. I see an amazing psychologist, have a daily meditation practice, go to a somato-emotional healer to release all that trauma stored in my body, I am building confidence in my career like Ive never had before. I take time to talk to strangers and am doing all I can to focus on where I am now in acceptance – less looking backward and not wishing for the future with desperation. I also plan to adopt a child on my own regardless of when I have a new partner. And yet, I still struggle. I believe narcissism exists on a spectrum, and my ex was definitely in the pathological end, but he wasnt always. It seemed to progress over time, especially as he failed to be able to face the pain of losing his wife. I do think he has some genuine feelings of love for his children and he did have genuine feelings for me, but the drive for external admiration and status was too great. What was helpful to read about your experience, is that relentless desire to make peace, to understand, to heal what was with them in some way. I am really struggling to let go of that drive to understand and have a feeling of warmth return between us that helps me let go. Its the silence, stonewalling and cut off that is the most painful. He tells me he is devastated that we didnt work out, but yet he dropped me like an empty gift bag. I dont think Ive ever experienced such utter loneliness. Did you feel that way? I
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I think you are still stuck to the illusion of the false self. It took me a long time to break through that. Check my articles on the stages of recovery and attachment to false self: https://terezashealthblog.com/2018/09/10/stages-of-recovery-from-a-relationship-with-a-narcissist/ and https://terezashealthblog.com/2018/06/06/why-you-still-miss-the-narcissist-part-2-attachment-to-the-false-self/
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Thank you from the deepest side of my heart for taking some time to share your story with the public. It’s kind of shocking how all you wrote, its EXACTLY what happened to me!! The same reactions, his words, behaviours, actions, even timing, or my emails to him post-discard!!,,,, oh my godness!!! And no one seemed to believe me, it’s been awful. I simply looked like the one I could not accept someone else stop loving me..Total madness. I was not able to explain the manipulation to anyone, it was incredible how much I started doubting myself and my own sense of reality. ! I’ve always been very good on taking different perspectives that this skill ended up being my curse .. and I am too a very peaceful character who doesn’t like to move on while holding grudge and resentment..exactly the same story. very horrible indeed.
I had experienced break ups before but I can assure this is NOT a normal break-up, this is something that takes a part of your heart away.
Thank you for it, and your words have brought much comfort today. Only who has experienced this, can truly understand
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Thank you for your comment and I am glad if my article helped. I have totally neglected my blog lately but I need to come back to it. The problem with narcs is that they first do all the lovebombing bullshit. They are sooo serious about you. They love you like they never loved anyone. You are the one. The best of the best. They never felt anything like this for anyone before. So naturally, when they start devaluing you, you expect that it’s just something temporary, that the awesome relationship will bounce back. So you give time, space, let them treat you more and more like garbage until the ultimate discard comes and you are left in the dark, not having a clue what happened and wanting to understand. That’s when the narc starts showing his or her true colours. To all the victim blamers – I would say this – people who are in relationships that they are not serious about and are honest don’t build up all these expectations in their counterparts. They are just honest that they are not dead serious. The narc is an exact opposite. As we later learn, it’s all just a manifestation of their disorder and once you are no longer on the pedestal, you are worth nothing. In fact you never mattered. Anyway, I hope you recover as soon as possible. Find yourself all the support in the world. It was not you. Even if you were a saint and as hot as Marylin Monroe, it would have ended the same way. And you know what? It’s OK to feel resentful. They are using people. The guy used you, fooled you that he cared about you and than used your caring against you. Used your love against you. How sick is that? Don’t hold onto that resentment but understand that it’s there for a reason. I am sending you a big hug…
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Your account makes me realise that my narcissistic partner was FAR worse than most and was very high on the spectrum. I wish mine was like yours and then it wouldn’t have been as bad.
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Sorry to hear that.
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I hope one day I will recover from the pain my ex narc has caused me. I feel stupid for trusting, loving, giving. It has nearly broken me. Im trying to pick up my pieces. I cant understand it all. Its just plain mean, wrong, horrible. Why do ppl do this to other ppl. If u dont love me – dont say u do. To me its quite simple. Anyway -thank u for sharing. Its stories like urs that truly help me heal. I keep reading and working on healing. I never want to see anyone hurt or go thru bad times – but…those experiences that u shared def do help me understand and grow and learn that narcs are the problem. They are def ppl to avoid if u want a relationship based on true, real
And solid. Thank u again! Sending u love, positivity, and healing vibes! U deserve all the very real and true BEST!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
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Thank you for your comment and I hope your healing goes well. I think eventually you accept that the person had a disorder and you just happened to get trapped in their madness and paid the price. Be kind to yourself and please do not judge yourself for whatever emotions you feel towards that person. Yes, they use the fact that you love and care about them against you. They beat you with the fact that you want to keep a positive memory of them and have a closure. If that’s not sick then I don’t know what is. It’s a journey and at some point you will probably realise that there were some issues in your family of origin that made you susceptible to fall for this. Big hug and I hope the pain goes away soon for you. It really was not you that was the problem.
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My Narc ex-wife is a little different. She says she wants nothing to do with me but wont give me the Emergency contact only that I have requested from her. We have a son together and I want contact with her only in the instance of our son having a medical emergency situation. She refuses to comply. Why do you want or need more contact with me if you want nothing to do with me? It’s so I can hang myself by getting irritated with her and she can present it to the courts and get me in trouble. I’ve also recently discovered that she routinely bad mouths me to people when she’s out with her new boyfriend. Why are you talking about me when you’re out with your boyfriend? Does she not know how disrespectful that is to her boyfriend?
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The smear campaign is part of the game. If she ever makes you snap, then everybody has already heard the story that you are crazy and unstable. She has to have people believe in her version of reality and is trying to deliberately trigger you by not doing what you asked for. If she sees it is triggering for you, you can bet she’ll keep doing that. As to the new boyfriend. Poor guy. She will one day be smearing him too.
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I’m week 3 into the discard phase after 5 months together. Though that isn’t long he was my best friend the last 3 years so I lost my boyfriend and best friend.
I’ve been like a walking corpse. It’s getting slightly better each day but it’s slow. I think the worst thing about the whole thing is being robbed of closure.
Since my ex was my best friend he knew EXACTLY what I wanted in a guy and he played the part.
He chased me for months and I resisted (I should have listened to my gut)
The first 2 months were the happiest in my life. I ignored the Red flags. Towards the 4th month together he began to detach, sleeping in the guest room and picking fights over silly things. The mere sound of my voice seemed to annoy him.
Three weeks ago my twin sister came to me and showed me text messages he had sent her hitting on her. I was floored. When I confronted him about it, he turned it around on me saying how dare I accuse him (it was in black and white!) and I must be the one cheating. He immediately blocked me. I admit I’ve acted like a maniac, downloading texting apps to text him, threats, pleas.
5 months ago I was madly in love and today I am filled with such rage and hate towards him. I’ve never been so thirsty for revenge.
But I resist the urge by remembering that is what he wants me to do.
The thing that helps me is knowing that while it’s intense and excruciating, it’s temporary.
He on the other hand is a bottomless pit and he’ll never be happy.
Thank you for letting me and others know we aren’t alone stumbling around blindly in this soul crushing fog.
I think they should teach a course on Narcissism in high school for preventative purposes. So much pain could be spared.
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Sorry you’re going through this. It is like meeting an alien species. If you are a decent person, it’s simply incomprehensible that people like this exist. It leaves you totally unprepared. It’s deception you are recovering from, not a relationship. That’s why all that anger. Your genuine emotions of love and care being wasted on a really despicable person because they pretended to be something else. It’s been many years for me but I still can get in touch with that profound sense of disgust towards that person. And I will forever wish them the most brutal karma. This stuff needs to be as much part of the public knowledge as possible. Once everybody can spot the red flags, they will have no supply and start collapsing. They can’t sustain their existence without supply so the only thing we can do is to make sure it gets harder and harder for them to find it… What maybe worries me is that they will be targeting younger and younger victims. They need naive. A lot of them targets teenagers. There needs to be education. Thank you for sharing your story with me and contributing to the value of this blog. Very much appreciated. Take care of yourself!
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